It’s safe to say that the newly released 10-minute version of Taylor Swift‘s beloved song “All Too Well” has taken over the internet since its release.
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So on today’s episode of The View, the hosts got into an age-old Swiftie debate: Did the iconic scarf referenced in the song ever exist, to begin with, or is it a metaphor for losing one’s virginity?
For context: “All Too Well” is heavily rumored to be about Swift’s relationship with ex-boyfriend Jake Gyllenhaal. In the song, she sings about leaving a scarf at her ex-lover’s sister’s house, which he held onto long after their relationship ended.
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The latest version of “All Too Well” has prompted plenty of listeners to speculate about whether Gyllenhaal still has the hypothetical scarf, and even Dionne Warwick addressed the matter on Twitter.
“If that man has Taylor’s scarf he should return it,” she wrote Monday. “It does not belong to you. Box it up and I will pay the cost of postage, Jake.”
While The View moderator Whoopi Goldberg mocked people’s fixation on the scarf, the other hosts had plenty of opinions on the matter.
Sunny Hostin theorized that the scarf is actually “symbolic of losing one’s virginity,” noting the age gap between the couple — when they dated, Swift was 20 and Gyllenhaal was 29. According to Hostin, the sexual component explains why Swift is still pining over her ex.
As she laid out her “evidence,” Goldberg put her head in her hands and began sliding off the table. “We just lost Whoopi,” Sara Haines joked. “One down, three to go.”
Haines added that she thinks the song’s popularity speaks to how “great” Swift is. “Every time she drops something, everyone is talking about it,” she said. “She drops Easter eggs, she has storylines.”
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Joy Behar chimed in to back up Hostin’s theory by quoting specific “All Too Well” lyrics: “You keep my old scarf from that very first week, because it reminds you of innocence, and it smells like me.” The debate lives on!